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Just a small note about Schemling, he wasn't a nazi. He helped a Jewish friend's two children escape Nazi Germany, one of whom ended up in San Francisco and I've heard on the radio a few times clarifying the record on Schmeling. He also later had a friendship with Joe Louis sometimes giving him money to help pay bills.

drydock, it's true that there were complexities and stages to Schmeling's life. In my view, the pre-Nazi phase, the two rescued children, the post-Nazi phases, all show that he was above all a survivor who stayed on the good side of those in power; but during that moment in history when Hitler was in power and on the rise, when he fought Louis in 1938, he was a Nazi. I don't know which Schmeling was the most authentic, which can cancel out the others. He distanced himself from many Jewish friends who went to death camps. His "friendship" with Louis later in life consisted of a dozen or so staged cordial events, and the fact that Louis, the greatest American heavyweight champion in modern history, had to borrow money from him at all says more about US society than about Schmeling, a successful businessman at that time who was trying hard to redeem his image. I encourage you not to settle too quickly on any one conclusion about a complex human being.

"If Taylor had won, mind you, I'm not sure I'd give the same advice;"

I feel like I am being dense and I admit up front that I have had my head mostly up my ass about the presidential race. I mean mostly the stuff I know/hear about is from, uh, the bloggers I read. Which you guys are doing a great job! I just am not even always reading every post about all of it. Point being, I don't understand why you would have given different advice? And it sounds like a salient point so I would like to understand it. I know I am missing something and it is probably really obvious...

Hi Joan! Yup, you just showed me that your intuition is quite intact; the point is salient. I did skip over it pretty lightly, but apparently there are people like you who read for real. So here's the brutal breakdown: if Taylor had won, it would not look good to white America to see Obama celebrating this victory, as though there were some racial pride involved; whereas since Pavlik won, it does look good for Obama to show solidarity with white working-class Ohio. It's not a square deal, but it's US society. What do you think? Anyway, good to see ya. :-)

Ah, thanks for explaining. So it's irritating that Obama can't be happy for Taylor if he'd won but Clinton can safely be happy for the white dude? Lame. Stating the obvious, I know. Just bugs me a lot that it seems like - even with my limited knowledge of all the goings-on - that Obama is supposed to worry about not identifying with any other black people or else white America will faint with fear? WTF?

Again I know I am beating a dead horse - but what is troublesome to me is that in avoiding "racial pride" connotations, there is a reinforcement of the absurd and historically deadly and outright fucking offensive idea that there is anything harmful to white people in a black person identifying with and celebrating other black people *as black people*. It reinforces the idea that white people are under threat if black people feel too good about being black and too invested in other black people's well being and success. I resent that.

And by "that" I mean the way that all this goes down, not individuals who are trying to navigate it and facing things I can't even guess at. I still don't know how I feel about Obama as a candidate, because frankly everybody seems too conservative for my taste, but I don't think that means all the racism surrounding his campaign gets a free pass. He could be a shitty president, and it's still not okay for this white supremacist culture to perpetuate the myths it does about Black Pride and Black Power movements. And I feel like that is what's underneath the "it would make white America uncomfortable for him to congratulate Taylor if he'd won."

Nice to see you too. :)

great post, 'mano. leave it to zuky.net to cover the electioneering debates in such a way!

tho i gotta say, i'm much more pumped now to watch some good boxing...suddenly the presidential horseflogging race PALES in comparison hardee har har jejeje i said pales

Thanks for this! I had no idea. In my late teens and 20's I used to follow boxing with a passion, now in my mid - 40's I can't stomach it. I don't really know why. In similar fashion, I am finding politics hard to stomach these days, too.

Joan, yup, I resent that too. I guess I generally resent racism. But you probably knew that. ;-)

Nez, hehe, hehe, you said pales.

And yeah I'd much rather watch boxing than mainstream electoral politics. Actually my favorite fighter Manny Pacquiao has a big fight coming up soon against Juan Manuel Marquez on March 15. Should be good. The first time they fought, it was an unforgettable action-packed draw. Pacquiao has improved since then and Marquez has slowed down a bit, so I'm expecting a knockout. We'll see. ;-)

Carmen D, well maybe you can't stomach all the corruption in both politics and boxing? 'Cause there's a lot of it, that's for sure. I guess there's a lot of corruption throughout big business in general (and I'm lumping mainstream politics in with big business here). But I do love the purity of the boxing craft itself, nothing quite like it. Thanks for stopping by.

That picture of Hillary Clinton cracks me up, every time. And thank you for bringing the boxing to politics -- you can't really have one without the other.

Missed this... great piece, Kai. You give excellent boxing commentary and effectively weave (no pun intended) the sports and politics analogy without, uh, overpunching.

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